Who Killed Marilyn Monroe? Bobby Kennedy, Says New Book
Marilyn Monroe was tricked into killing herself by Bobby Kennedy.
So says Dr Jack Hattem, who, backed up by secret FBI files, says the Hollywood bombshell was somehow fooled into believing she would be revived in time as part of a plot involving Senator Robert Kennedy, the brother of JFK, who was gunned down 40 years ago this week.
Instead, Monroe, who staged many fake suicide attempts throughout her life to gain sympathy, was left to die by staff and friends. It’s all in Hattem’s new book Marilyn Monroe: Murder By Consent.
Certainly, Marilyn Monroe may have been dead for 46 years, but that doesn’t mean that people have stopped speculating about the circumstances of her death. We spoke to Dr Hattem and listened to some of his more compelling claims, including where Kennedy was on the night of Marilyn Monroe’s death and why the recently unearthed Marilyn Monroe sex tape might not be the only one knocking about.
This is turning out to be quite a big year for Marilyn Monroe. Not only has Lindsay Lohan aped her by getting naked and covering herself with a net curtain, but a Marilyn Monroe sex tape has also apparently been uncovered in recent months. So with sex dealt with, what about death?
While it was ruled to be suicide, theorists have long had their doubts about the way that Marilyn Monroe died – and thanks to a set of FBI records released 20 years ago that have been inexplicably ignored until recently, those doubts seem to have some substance.
According to Dr Jack Hattem’s book Marilyn Monroe: Murder By Consent, Monroe died because Robert Kennedy, along with Monroe’s close ‘friend’ and Hollywood actor Peter Lawford, convinced her to make another fake suicide attempt.
Caught between his family, who wanted to play down its relationship with Marilyn Monroe and the fact Monroe was threatening to shop a red diary containing ‘pillow talk’ between the pair and confidential secrets about the Cuban Missile Crisis if he ever left her, Robert Kennedy and Rat Pack member Lawford hatched a plan to visit Monroe on the day of her death. Hattem said:
“It is my guess that they had discussed with her, in no uncertain terms, that they needed for her to fake a suicide attempt. They guarantee she would be woken up, and that the fake suicide attempt would gain her so much sympathy from 20th Century Fox – who had fired her – that she would get her job back. But they threatened her somehow. She could be talked into things, because she wanted desperately to be cared about.”
At the time, Kennedy denied the visit, claiming he was in San Francisco. Which he might have got away with, except for the fact the FBI just happened to be busy tracking both Robert Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe at the same time. Hattem explained:
“The CIA had long considered Marilyn Monroe a threat to national security from the time she had married Arthur Miller, because they thought of him as a leftist. Then the FBI started listening in on her phone calls and tracking her – even to Mexico, where Bobby Kennedy had a fling with her. A private detective took an audio tape of Bobby Kennedy and Marilyn in an ‘affair’. The FBI was tracking Kennedy, their boss, all over the place and listening in on his conversations, possibly because Hoover wanted something on Kennedy – and he certainly got it, because as she was dying, they were listening in.”
Adding to the muddle is Marilyn Monroe’s housekeeper Eunice Murray, who found her face down on her bed, and her psychiatrist Ralph Greenson.
Apparently, Monroe fired Murray on the day of her death – which Hattem suggests is why she didn’t rush to try and revive Monroe; and was sleeping with Greenson – who allegedly gave Monroe an extra-large dose of barbiturates on top of what she already had been given.
What’s most interesting, though, is Dr Hattem’s story of the conversation between Bobby Kennedy and Peter Lawford at around 4am the following morning:
“In the FBI files, the FBI is recording Kennedy saying to Peter Lawford ‘Is she dead yet?’”
Throw in the fact that all of Marilyn Monroe’s phone message disappeared, to later be discovered in the chief of police’s private files, and that her red diary could not be found – Hattem’s guess is that Kennedy had a large hand in it. He said:
“I’m certain Robert Kennedy stole it when he came by her house after she was dead.”
But if Robert Kennedy’s involvement in Marilyn Monroe’s death is rooted in fact so firmly that there’s even an FBI file on it, why hasn’t more been made of it?
“I think the reason is that everybody already believes the Kennedys killed her.”
We get Hecklerspray in heaven. God just told me this thread was getting out of hand so I thought I’d come in and clear it up.
It was Professor Plum in the library with the lead piping.
I’m confused – I feel a bit like John Connor at the end of T2 when he’s not sure which is the T-1000 and which one is his mom.
This seems to be very true. We all know how many times she fake suicide attempt.
Tina
http://www.ekhichdi.com
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read (Referring to article not the idiotic comments)
Marilyn was already hired back by 20th Century Fox and with a PAY INCREASE! Why would she “Fake” a suicide attempt to gain sympathy? Actually doing this would make her MORE of an insurance risk and she would have known this given the history of The Misfits where she was fired from the studio (although eventually rehired) due to potential suicide risk. Marilyn was far too smart to have been “talked” into a suicide attempt. I hate dumb books that make Marilyn look stupid
PS: Ernest and Mark– get a life; you are an embarrassment to yourselves.
Marilyn killed Bobby, haters. She used a secret time -delay
assassins code given to her by J. Edgar Hoover after she
let him wear one of her dresses. And Sirhan Sirhan met the
Easter Bunny behind the paddocks to get the code.
It’s history, stupid, get your fucking facts straight Bilginghorse
before you start making wild baseless claims. Even a child knows this.
Uh oh, Charles M. Your going to get Ernest/Mark mad at you and he’ll post something idiotic as Charles M and then more stupidity as Charles N and then something retarded as Charles O and so on…
Ok, I was bored. Google Mark Bellinghaus and read away. So many stories…
Let me all tell you a little secret. I am not really ‘Charles P.’ but a stalker named…well, just click on my link and you see who is stalking again, ever since…forever.
Something is telling me that these losers who claimed that in the 1980’s rugs were ‘prototypes’ have lost their own face and whatever tiny bit of credibility they had left somewhere down the road.
So p–leeeeaaaassseeeee speaking of EMBARRASSMENT…the ‘kettle calls the pot black’?! That was always one of these crazy weirdo’s over used expressions….boooorrrring!
Marilyn Monroe ‘community’ = tiny
Marilyn Monroe ‘community’ = crazy
Marilyn Monroe ‘community’ = jealous
Marilyn Monroe ‘community’ = Haters!
http://www.pr-inside.com/marilyn-monroe-activist-report-against-obsessive-s-r161875.htm
Why I am posting this hate anonymous? Because if I attach my name to the shit I feel, I would scare people. As much as I scare people off when they see me. The last time I went to Disneyland, people and especially kids would run away, because they thought I was part of the scary monsters from some trippy ride or
or something.
I mean ugliness is hateful as it is, but inner ugliness is deadly.
I hate everyone who is right, who has a cause for what he or she is fighting for. And that is why I spread so much hate and venomous lies.
No you know why I must post anonymous. Because we the Marilyn Monroe fan club suckers stick together and we support each other, even until the last transsexual falls.
Wow!
Im from UK, I guess us brits are a bit reserved at times but even still some of the comments on here are a bit below the belt I must admit.
Just wanted to say that at least she is at peace now and having a fab time im sure, probably having a few laughs at some of the stupid comments left on here.
Hey remember some of you may even get to meet her in your next life! (That is if your going up and not down, if you see her im sure she would kick your ass!!
Anyway Marilyn was sexy, innocent, cool and wild.
But that was the fab 50’s and the swinging 60’s and damn I missed out!
I honestly believe that Marilyn, James Dean, Elvis the list goes on are probably better off where they are now (enjoying life without any crap or hate) then still being on this crappy earth.
Show them some respect in life and death, remember we will all die one day and wouldnt it be nice to be remembered with some kind thoughts!
Too much hatered – bring on the love man!
Elvis – ‘Walk a mile in my shoes’.
Yes, Kessa, of course you’re right:
when we die it’s all candy corn and puppy breath
with rainbow ponies. My mistake.
I forgot all about “going up and not down”
in the Great Posthumous Elevator Ride to Eternity.
It’s all so simple really. Silly me. Do you vote?
Amen.
No ‘euclid’ when we die we cannot post with monikers no longer. ;o( we will put a face to our ugliness and new generations will learn about traitors, liars, haters, fraud criminals, and their supporting friends who were laughing, while some three were stepping up against a fraud mafia who was led by a lawyer who literally stole himself into power. It is absolutely amazing when you look into the details of this tragedy built on a sad soul who could still be alive, if she had friends and not HATERS. Who wanted her to kill herself. And when it happened, they were running around, claiming bullshit and pointed the finger at others.
You people, who follow us everywhere, post your hate and lies, you don’t give up your hate games which is your ONLY ENTERTAINMENT. We just exposed the crazy transsexual Hillary Jayne Mansfield, 37, who claimed on another hater forum, the famous marilynmonroe.com (it has been shut down since these hater comments and the malicious postings in 2007), that I am a ‘pedophile,’ and that I should ‘jump from a bridge with my fake collection,’ and this still full intact male is now exposed as Benjamin Dean Lefler.
This freak attacked and harassed us and he is facing soon charges in a New Jersey court. Now comes the ‘karma cracker’: He posted numerous times on his website and in an email he sent me: ‘Marilyn HATES You….And Your Mother….’ Last week his father past away at only 71.
http://blog.ourmarilyn.com/2008/02/20/news–warnings-for-the-jayne-mansfield-fan-community-hillary-jayne-mansfield–benjamin-s.aspx
It is now obvious that the stalker is posting his hateful comments. His handwriting is now forever linked to another Marilyn Monroe hoax. A crime he himself tried to support and peddle to the public. He lost this attempt–like he lost every single battle thus far–ever since he tried to destroy us, to discredit us and to support his fraud creating and selling friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=145fvYfMMUk
PLEASE VISIT THE MEGAN MEIER FOUNDATION WEBSITE and support Tina Meier in her brave fight against Internet craziness and hater action pure.
http://blog.ourmarilyn.com/2008/06/05/good-bye-and-please-support-tina-meier-a-true-hero-a-fighter-and-a-wonderful-person-who-cares-for-others.aspx
Please let these anonymous dangerous psychos push another sensible life to the edge, help to save lives and don’t let them destroy more people. They have tried so hard to character assassinate us. Three people, when they are way over 100 worldwide, holding ties, holding hands, organized fraud crimes unites them, not Marilyn Monroe–she was never there!
CORRECTION:
Please DON’T let these anonymous dangerous psychos push another sensible life to the edge, help to save lives and don’t let them destroy more people.
For someone who claims ‘who cares’ when it comes to Marilyn Monroe and that she did not invent the cure for cancer (or AIDS), but then is posting comment after comment filled with so much hate and disgust that we really do not need much imagination who truly is higing behind ‘euclid’ just like some coward was hiding in a chapel, from the official server for a restraining order which three months later was granted for his stalking and his threats (which also included his AIDS infected blood):
Euclid spoke and the hate and jealousy is just speaking for itself.
Sad, truly sad how these freaks still try to fool people in their obvious Nazi style fashion of ‘Germans, Don’t buy from the Jews’ — hate propaganda:
1.
euclid Says:
June 8th, 2008 at 2:19 am
Who cares? She’s dead. Dead dead dead.
She didn’t exactly invent the cure for cancer.
A few vaguely charming films. Again,
who cares? I see prettier women (especially now)
every day of the week. If she were still alive
she’d look like Bridget Bardot’s grandma, and we
all know how well THAT turned out.
2.
euclid Says:
June 8th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Peter Dipshit, Florida:
WRONG AGAIN! I care that people are wasting their lives
obsessing about someone long dead when they could spend their
time and concern on those around them who are still living.
f you think my post is bitter, well, that’s your cup of cheese pal.
3.
euclid Says:
June 9th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Not much time or energy actually Earnest C.
What are these hateful things I’ve said?
That MM is dead? I think we’ve established that.
That if she were alive, she would be old?
Well, everyone else ages, so I just assumed
she would too. Magic powers had she?
If so, it seems they didn’t work too well. I have no idea who
Jeanne Carmen is, and therefore think nothing of her.
You do seem to exist however, and I think you are unwell.
4.
euclid Says:
June 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Yeah, right Wm: the Easter Bunny did it. Cripes.
5.
euclid Says:
June 10th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Marilyn killed Bobby, haters. She used a secret time -delay
assassins code given to her by J. Edgar Hoover after she
let him wear one of her dresses. And Sirhan Sirhan met the
Easter Bunny behind the paddocks to get the code.
It’s history, stupid, get your fucking facts straight Bilginghorse
before you start making wild baseless claims. Even a child knows this.
6.
euclid Says:
June 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Yes, Kessa, of course you’re right:
when we die it’s all candy corn and puppy breath
with rainbow ponies. My mistake.
I forgot all about “going up and not downâ€
in the Great Posthumous Elevator Ride to Eternity.
It’s all so simple really. Silly me. Do you vote?
Jealousy is really an ugly thing when it comes to success, love and devotion.
It is still sad and will be forever, how haters who claim to love Marilyn Monroe, attack her under the cover of a silly name such as ‘Joke Police,’ or ‘euclid.’
Do these people really believe that the public is blind and stupid?
If I were Marilyn, I would have killed myself much earlier
Dudes, I know you’ve had a bad time on the internet, but It Wasn’t Us. I appreciate that our clearly non-real names might be piquing your paranoia, but I know for a fact that euclid, gir and mst3kster live in a happy Hecklerspray bubble and are definitely not litigious, stalky internet nutjobs. Right, boys and/or girls?
I can’t vouch for Anonymous Troll or EASTER BUNNy though. I reckon you should go after those guys.
hahahahhaaha awesome
“Sad, truly sad how these freaks still try to fool people in their obvious Nazi style fashion of ‘Germans, Don’t buy from the Jews’ — hate propaganda:”
By posting comments about Marilyn Monroe on a entertainment satire site, you have shown yourself to truly be the Modern Equivalent Of Nazi Germany. You Probably Like Hitler A Lot.
Freaks who follow what who? YOU showed up here, idiot. I don’t recall anyone saying BOY I SURE HOPE THAT FUCKING WACKO MARK BELLINGHAUS POSTS HERE!!!!!!
Oh, I see, I’ve been following you around very secretly by posting here for several months before you arrived.
Listen up, I didn’t give a shit about you before you showed up here, and the only thing I think about you now is that I wish your stalker had killed you and saved hecklerspray from your tsunami of words.
I think it’s time for a Haiku contest. That’ll calm everyone down.
Unwell Bellinghorse
Needs psychiatric treatment
Quite obviously
or
What crazed wind blows
Through the posts of HecklerSpray
It’s Bellowhoarse
Kinda makes me miss Maurice.
At least he was a benign idiot.
Now we’ve got full-blown
paranoid schizophrenics posting.
What next, I wonder?
Will Earnest Mark take his Haloperidol?
Will the ghost of Marilyn finally propose?
Will the neighbor’s dog have the last word?
Ah the mystery and joy of life on the
electronic edge of sanity…
Marilyn Monroe
Killed by the Easter Bunny
Fuck Mark Bellinghaus
Thank you Joke Police. I’m now calmer than a cadaver.
PS This has definitely now surpassed that World’s Biggest Penis thing as my favourite thread on Hecklerspray.
favourite? aha, New Zealand is in the house.
Delicious Carbuncle or Restawhile?
You people are just sad.
Ah, the majesty of the internet. Obviously, the comment above makes no sense. But put these seemingly nonsensical words into a popular search engine of your choice, et voila, yet more paranoid nonsense is explained. And lots more fun stories to read.
Earnie – you redefine pathos.
Alzheimers is not a pretty thing;
neither is nationalism, which exhibits
pretty much the same symptoms
(cognitive impairment, estrangement from reality, etc.)
Also, have you thought of transferring your fixation
to someone more recent like Lindsay Lohan or Scarlett Johansson
or perhaps in your case Madeline Albright?
Or go the other way – Joan of Arc or something.
If you must have a pathological fixation and foist it upon the world,
could you at least make an interesting choice?
Christ, you’ll be whinging away about Elvis next. Or the pyramids.
Please, get some rest, take your pills and check back later (much).
Feeling much left out
Earnie tried to stir the pot
But failed (as always)
Oh dear, ‘Joke Police,’ (who was never funny but vulgar only), ‘mst3kster’ and the hateful ‘euclic,’ is really just one and the same person. A bitter, hateful, jealous fool who lost. Over and over and over again.
I think it is time to report your hater jargon to the site. You cannot post without using foul language. But what do you expect from members of the KKK?!
I am so glad to have realized what so called Marilyn Monroe fan club officials have tried to pull on us fans. It is no longer about Marilyn Monroe. I thank you so much for all the support for Mark Bellinghaus and his important mission for Marilyn Monroe, Ernest. Knowing you is knowing a wonderful, kind, loving author who is brilliant to the ‘t’ in everything he says.
Especially when it come to Marilyn Monroe.
I have witnessed to much ugliness from people who never had a true reason to attack Mark, Ernest and Jennifer. They did so anyhow and oh well, look what has been happening. Karma is not only a rumor, it is happening right now.
I never believed in these things, but they obviously exist.
There is this man who wants to be Jayne Mansfield, and he is so hateful that he is throwing his ‘babies into the fire’ by calling Mr. Bellinghaus names that even on this thread would be banned. He makes fun of Bellinghaus’ parents, his dead father and he calls Mark ‘Adolf’ despite that this transsexual is Jewish himself and knows that Mark is German Jewish.
Well, and then karma bites back right away.
Is Marilyn Monroe supporting the three brave fighters for her legacy?
The update really made me wonder.
http://blog.ourmarilyn.com/2008/02/20/news–warnings-for-the-jayne-mansfield-fan-community-hillary-jayne-mansfield–benjamin-s.aspx
Ah, but Finland is in “da house”. And since someone (Mark) was already mocking me here, pretending to write “as me” I sure as heck feel I have the right to post here too – AFTER being slandered by Mark Bellinghaus ONCE AGAIN. I DO have the right to defend myself without them saying I “follow” them or other idiotic things. It’s not that difficult to Google “Mark Bellinghaus” + “Finland” – and there you go. Up popped this site with Mark posting “as if he were someone from Finland”. And yeah, I WILL keep Googling my name/Finland with Mark’s name, because as long as he keeps slandering me online I have the right to speak up too. Besides, when I bother to add something to threads such as this, meaning threads that he and his gang have managed to turn into pure idiocy and childisness, I happen to write under my own name, so they can just shut up about “people hiding under monikers”. I am NOT afraid of them and I have NO reason to “hide” – like Mark just cowardly did here when posting “as me” and “as Pauline”.
Well, it was fun just watching the lunacy and paranoia from a distance, but when I came to the last post I decided I just HAD to post and say something to Mr. Cunningham, who as an author should be aware of the history and nuances of his own mother tongue: When you Google the BRITISH (not incorrect, mind you) spelling “favourite” you get 167 000 000 results. Amazing that one person wrote all of those… To think that only American English is correct… now THAT is sad! (For your info, when we are taught English at school here in Europe, they teach us the British pronunciation and spelling, not the American one.)
For your info, I am also letting Pauline know Mark slandered her here and how Mr. C. claimed the poster above was Pauline – using his unbeatable (which I think is unbearable, really) logic. I don’t know if she has any interest in adding anything here, cause what you’re doing is just stupid, but she is aware of this thread NOW, I just emailed her. Just so that you know.
As for who has suffered in the hands of whom, all I can refer to is: http://www.marilynfansunited.com
As for the book, looks to me it’s yet another piece of crap taking advantage of Marilyn’s memory. Wish they’d finally let her rest in peace. I admit I’ve always bought all the Marilyn-related books, but I have had it with all these crazy theories. The reason I’ve read the books is because I want to know what is in them so it will be easier to debunk them when someone starts telling me the stuff they’ve read “as facts.”
Thanks for listening, I’ve had my say. No matter how vile/idotic etc Team B. turns; Finland is bowing out of this nuthouse – at least for now
But I’ll keep reading it, it’s good entertainment while I take my coffee breaks from ACTUAL WORK. (Don’t know if Mark knows what that is though…)
Are we in trouble Hecklerspray?
I refute the charge that I am mst3kster and euclic (sic). It should be pretty obvious – those guys are much funnier than me. We are definitely not all one.
Also, I deny all charges of vulgarity. I’ve been perfectly courteous, I think you’ll find.
As for the other rather more blunt comments on this page, well, if you don’t like them, maybe you should go back to writing puff pieces on Wikipedia and hoping people don’t notice.
I’ve never been part of someone’s paranoid delusions before!
Makes me feel kind of special and dirty at the same time.
And I love this whole “three brave fighters” thing – it’s like
the three little bears, or the three little pigs or something.
I imagine an anime cartoon. What would they be called?
“Dead Celebrity Defense Force”? “Marilyn’s Memory Mob”? “The DSM Five”?
And EC/MB why, incidentally, is pointing out the fact that Marilyn is dead hateful? Seems to be pretty much a neutral statement of fact.
Also, your strange and twisted confabulations about
who I am do reveal a great deal about how your minds work
in your own strange ungodly crusade.
You really should drop a line to Maurice Colgan. He’s like a hebephrenic
version of you, but about Elvis. I think you all would
have just a splendid time together. Cheers, big ears!
“I think it is time to report your hater jargon to the site. ”
OH NO PLEASE DONT TELL MA HERITAGE!
Well, EC, you DO seem to be an expert on the subject…
of sadness that is. Just hypothetically, what would it take
to get you to realize how entirely mad you are?
I have nothing to do with your cult or the counter-cult
or the counter-counter-cult, or whatever. I’d not
heard of you or Bilgeingpump before you showed up here
in my electronic backyard spewing garbled rubbish.
You are immensely mockable because you make so little sense
but obviously care disproportionately, some would say obsessively,
about someone who died 40-odd years ago. That is just very
strange to those of us outside of your warped little world. And
I thought it might help you (or your counsellor) for someone
to point this out. You have left reality far far behind. Take a walk
around the block and try to think of something that doesn’t involve
the pointless (and slightly worrisome but nonetheless hilarious)
lionization of dead celebrities. There’s a whole big old world out here
just waiting for you, you poor damaged chipmunk.
I am pretty sad. Sad that people like you can continue to exist in society without being eaten by wolves.
This is becoming the most intelligent article in terms of replies. It makes my brain hurt.
But er…yer Mrs Monroe. If anyone has a Warhole piccy of her, someone on here will probably buy it. Or worship underneath her dazzling blond painted locks.
“This should be my last post”
-Yes it should. Don’t YOU have a life?
“crazy nut from Finland”
-I guess “crazy nut” doesn’t constitute as name calling then since you said I call YOU names? Sorry, Mr. Cunningham. Never said anything about you before you started posting your “I spit on you and damn you all to hell” shit.
“is defending a transsexual who has threatened and harassed and now will face charges.”
– I am not defending anyone. Hillary Mansfield shared her story on our site after Mark attacked her FIRST. I do not necessarily agree with everything she’s said or done – actually I won’t comment any further on this since I am not AWARE of what has been going on after she shared her story, and she had good grounds of sharing it then. But we don’t really stay in touch nor know each other.
“Merja Pohjola, please stop living your life through Mark Bellinghaus or me.”
- I’ll be damned if I ever “lived my life” through you. All I do is defend myself from your slander/accusations. Wheareas you guys seem to be living your life only through blogging and hating all of “us”. I told you how I found this thread – because YOU had posted about me here.
“Remember what Tina Meier answered you since you immediately tried to pull her over to your hater side of monikers.”
- Refresh my memory, what did she answer me? The fact that you guys tried to drag a grieving mother into all of this was a despicable thing to do. I just hope she didn’t fall for your awful propaganda. But if she did, that’s sad and I can’t help it. Hopefully she knows there are TWO SIDES to every story. And why are you talking about monikers since I am not using one? If I was truly such an “awful hater” I WOULD post anonymously (Like Mark has done many times here so far…)instead of stepping up with my own name to defend myself. Now there’s a thing for you to ponder.
“You are a shame to any Marilyn Monroe fan club.”
- Why thank you, you’re such a nice man
“You have done nothing for the defense of Marilyn Monroe”
- Of that you know nothing. I have done what I can – but I happen to have a REAL life outside of Marilyn Monroe. I do admire her, but she is my hobby, not my LIFE. (And I am the one who is “sad”?) I do not like to pretend as she was the most important thing in the world. She’s not. So sue me.
“and most of your attacks were directed at us in order to shut us up. Since you are part of the William Travilla fake exhibit project, just like your New Zealand counterpart.”
- I have NEVER attacked ANY of you. I have defended myself from your DISGUSTING attacks. AS for the exhibit, I’ve said a million times it is MY OPINION it is legit – and I have A FRIGGING RIGHT TO MY OPINION. You guys think I don’t – so YOU have attacked me! When have I called YOU Nazis, the KKK, compared you to murderers and school shooters, called you racists, witches, psychos, weirdos, etc etc etc…? The list goes on and on! You think I should shut up and take all this ABUSE. Well I refuse to do that. Sorry.
“You wanna call us names again? Go right ahead.”
- Um? ME call YOU names? Me, “the bitch, psycho, fraud supporter, witch, C***, totally insane and un***ed, racist”, etc etc? Can you mention even ONE insult comparable to those that you have said about me? No you can’t, cause they don’t exist. I have been on the receiving end of your name calling for the longest time without stooping to that level – and you KNOW it.
“The reality is that you all supported William Travilla the ‘lost collection,’ which was just another hoax.”
- IMO it is not. Why can’t you understand that I can and am allowed to have a differing opinion without being slandered for it????
“Now you may attack us again, in your usual manner”
-Excuse me, I attack you? Scroll up and see the posts Mark made as “Me” and as “Pauline” and then refresh your wording. I D-E-F-E-N-D-E-D myself. Mark has even twice attacked my CHILD for Christ’s sakes! And I am not allowed to say one word???? How does your logic work that if Mark posts BS about me and I answer, then I ATTACK you??? Well, this has been your mindset all along, so why do I even bother to ask…
“I have said enough”
- More than enough
“some jealous fanatics who claim to speak for an entire country. That is just outright silly, Mrs. Pohjola and I bet you agree on this.”
- Yeah it is. Downright silly… to say I AM speaking for an entire country if I say “Finland is in da house”. If I spoke for the whole country, then I guess when you said “New Zealand is in the house” you meant the whole country of NZ? Now that is much more silly, Mr. Cunningham!
“We have gotten so much support from Marilyn Monroe fans from Finland”
- Good for you. I know of the one guy; (who is not even a Marilyn fan but an “online friend” of Jen’s, and I know how much you like to embellish. But since we have so many supporters in your country, I guess we’re even when taken into account how many citizens you have and how many we have. So the one guy makes the percentage just about right…
“If you don’t like Mark Bellinghaus’ logic, why can’t you stop copying every single word, every single move he makes.”
-Cause it is damned difficult to write in English when Mark has “copyrighted” on his own most of the words of the English language. If you use just COMMON words such as “truth”, “deteriorate”, “malicious” etc etc… he says I am not allowed to, cause also he has used them. WHAAT? Seriously, that is screamingly funny! Does it go for words like “and” and “no” etc too? Darn, I guess I have to switch into Finnish! And I have never copied his moves. I have not written vile blogs (other than that one only demonstrating his nastiness), have never tried to harm people in their private lives, have never called you murderers, have never harassed or mocked children, etc. As for the petition – get a life. I wrote and signed petitions when Mark was still in Germany.
“You are here on this thread, and that again shows that all of you hopeless haters who call themselves Marilyn fans have no life at all.”
I posted here ONCE after I found my name when I googled it on my coffee break (sometimes I do idle stuff during coffee breaks…) You seem to have been here for days, and Mark has stepped into moniker after moniker… and I have no life? LOL Okay, whatever makes you happy. Obviously thinking that does, so go ahead. Hope I made your day.
- Uhm… and where are you?
“But then make fun of us?”
Sorry!
- Yeah well, it is really you who make yourselves look like fools
“You have been supporting a crazy people who even told Mark Bellinghaus to kill himself.”
- Once again, I have not supported Hillary, just let her post her story. As for Charlie – well, I don’t understand how a grown man can take something like “jump from a bridge” seriously. If I were to whine about something like that, I’d be whining all the time. I have heard it and said it jokingly a million times… Thank God not to Mark though, cause he thinks it is a death threat! Gee…
“Maybe you people should open a ‘Lori Drew fan club,’ because that is what all of you haters remind us of.”
- http://www.teambellinghaus.blogspot.com
“You are as dangerous as she was to society.”
- THAT IS SLANDER, MR. CUNNINGHAM
“You have displayed such scary action”
- Having an opinion is such a scary thing to do. At least if you voice it. And defending yourself – horrible!
“I say it one more, one last time: all of you are nothing but sad.”
– Yeah. Sad to see people like you to behave the way you do. Once last time:
http://www.marilyfansunited.com
Susan B Winters is also (obviously) Mark Bellinghaus ha ha ha
“This is becoming the most intelligent article in terms of replies. It makes my brain hurt.”
having read some 0.01% of the previous comments let me say I wish I had started in on this one earlier!
unfortunately, I have nothing to add.
Except to say, HS checkout “The Meanies” no fucking bullshit here, they rock, free tracks including a cover of Kyles “Better the Devil you know” AND it’s not on fuck’ng myspace.
Neither is Mark Bellinghaus.
At least not under his own name…
Oh puh-leaze…!
As the first comment says, she was a junkie, up to here in her own sh** (meaning the mess she made out of her life), a self-obsessed neurotic who was called “very sick” even by her good friends and her husbands.
She meant nothing to the White House. ZERO, except a fantasy lay, maybe.
Just because she was deluded enough to inflate her own importance it doesn’t mean we have to be.
Why are we even talking about the silly cow anymore?
She would be long dead by now anyway!
She obviously was important enough for you to post some disgusting and very ugly remarks, oh and did I mention: ANONYMOUS?!
Mark Bellinghaus said:
“She obviously was important enough for you to post some disgusting and very ugly remarks, oh and did I mention: ANONYMOUS?!”
No, Mark: while I can’t speak for the specific person who posted the message that ticked you off, I think it’s pretty obvious that she was NOT “important enough” for the person to even make up an alias just for the purpose to make a passing comment about an annoying moth-eaten “icon”…
And BTW, we are ALL anonymous here. All these names are anonymous. And not even fishing out the individual IPs, if anyone would be obsessed enough to do that, would help establishing anyone’s identity…
It’s the internet – it’s freedom of opinion.
Not all people love and adore Marilyn Monroe.
Not all people are insanely jealous of her.
Learn to live with it.
A little respect wouldn’t hurt though… Calling her a “junkie” and a “silly cow” when obviously you’ve only read the negative books and seen the negative docs – if even that. You’re allowed not to adore her, but still that doesn’t mean she was a “stupid junkie”. That is not right and fair, and it is not true. I could go on about how Hollywood “fed” their stars uppers and downers without knowing the dangers, and how she had to numb her pain since nobody could help her back in those days. (A little empathy wouldn’t hurt either even though she’s dead…) And I could go on about how she definitely wasn’t stupid, and how one can argue whether she had “delusions” of the White House or maybe just a one night stand with JFK (some say not even that), because all this is based on consipracy theory books with inaccurate sources at best, but I feel like it would be in vain:) Anyway, you’re allowed to your opinion – BUT reporting hearsay as facts without bothering to study the subject further, and then calling it an “opinion” is not an opinion, but ignorance. Distorted facts don’t create truth no matter how much you try to twist and bend them – you can say the world is flat because someone used to say it was, but it doesn’t make it so
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Merja ended that rant with a smiley face.
I’m just saying.
Yeah I did
If someone disagrees about the facts in Marilyn Monroe’s life, I don’t see the point in saying “you’re making disgusting and ugly remarks, you freak” (a la somene else). I DO believe everyone is allowed to their opinion, but like I said when an opinion is not based on facts, it is not a “valid” opinion… you’re still allowed to have it though 
Anyway, wasn’t trying to lecture to anyone, just pointing out that all these negative rumours out there are not necessarily the way it was, but the way tabloids/trash biographers etc wanted to make it look like to further their own agenda (making money and a myth that sells).
Time for another smiley
hehe
smileys make my pathetic life wasted on dead entertainers seem less empty 
hehe