Rubbish Cars We Love: Talbot Samba – Weak As I Am

by Chris Laverty on December 2, 2005 13 Comments

Talbot_sambaThe Talbot Samba was so damn weak it could rust in freezing fog. What a shabby, French, spit-bucket-of-bolts travesty it was.

What else could you do but love it?

Rust:

You eventually learnt not to fear the brown crackling. At times it may even have been holding the beleaguered Samba together. Though that does mean spotting a nice example today is harder than watching Michael J. Fox play Operation .

Evidently the Samba’s fragile frame also made it lighter than a bag of crisps. It was only attached to the road by gravity and whatever heavy shopping you could pack in the back. This made for a unique handling experience – nippy without ever being fast, fun without ever being safe, stiff, rigid, brittle and staunch. Nothing else in the world, outside of a Paraguayan supercar, could make contradiction appear so beautiful.

Rusty Lee, TV Chef:

The Samba was the very last car produced by Talbot (once part of America’s Chrysler brand). It catapulted out of the factory like a badly fixed wheel-nut in 1981. By that time Talbot had lost any hope of regaining its identify after having most of its showrooms hijacked by Peugeot. Ever heard of Simca (Société industrielle de Méchanique et Carrosserie Automobile)? Up until 1980 that was essentially a Talbot brand without the illustrious T.

After bailing Europe for financial reasons, Chrysler abandoned their concern with Simca and the Sunbeam-producing English Rootes. France took up the slack with Peugeot/Citroen and immediately ensured their car manufacturing became as muddled as their allegiance during the Second World War. Apart from commercials, Peugeot only really used Talbot as a giant swappable spares bin.

If you wandered (lost) past a Peugeot dealer in the early-mid 1980’s you would have noticed the Talbot logo displayed in fetching red and silver somewhere up near the Peugeot name. Parts and engines were shared between the two for as long as Talbot produced cars (the badge name was employed until 1990). But sourcing anything more extravagant than a fan belt from the dealer meant a three-month wait and a bill to scare both Fat Wallet and Access away to the nearest bus stop.

Owning a Talbot Samba was always going to be a messy business, and that’s before you had even opened the bonnet.

Rust Avenue, Mississippi:

Many argued that a Samba was actually just a lowered Peugeot 104. They are not far wrong, both cars shared the same chassis and 954 cc base model engine. Though these doubters obviously disregarded the sheer joy of having the Talbot logo perched on the grille. It is a little like owning a Ford; you know you belong to a club of salesman and van drivers, but that shiny sea-blue insignia still looks good against any substance or colour – even on the GT40.

Inside, Samba owners were treated to a basin of grey plastic and hastily stitched cloth. The steering wheel was a Citroen reusable classic (every AX got one), the doors less padded than a Frisbee, while the interior space and elbow room just about equated to a Jaguar XJ6’s glovebox.

If we appear to be moaning and groaning it is only because we care. We want to be hard on the Samba because we love it much. It shows that no matter how badly designed and engineered a car is, sheer character can seal the deal. The Samba had personality in crunchy, rusty bucketfuls. If you did not smile while inside one you were clearly dead, or waiting on the side of the motorway for the RAC.

As fearless as Sharon Osbourne’s plastic surgeon, a Samba could carry everything and more. Holiday suitcases were like pillows to this car, fat relatives merely a challenge. The rear bumper would be touching the ground and the seats desperately trying to retain their stuffing, but the Samba did not know the meaning of the word quit. Why Talbot never paid homage with a red and gold Rouke’s Drift special edition we’ll never know.

Rusty Schwimmer, Actress:

We would recommend care like a midwife when seeking out a used Samba. Oxide covered examples are most prevalent and generally best avoided, unless you can find a still intact convertible or – holiest of all grails – an 80 bhp Rallye version. Who gives a damn about a bit of rust when you can drive an eighty horsepower mayfly? The drop-top is pretty enough for forgiveness providing it can still keep out the rain.

Try as we might, we could not find a single respectable Samba on eBay.co.uk and so concede failure with our heads held low and lapels raised high. Terribly sorry, chaps.

Everyone should treasure their thoughts of the chin-up little Talbot – so nimble and willing – no matter how many times it needed a roadside breather. You just have to remember what crap it had to work with in the first place.

[story by Chris Laverty]

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pat hesmondhalgh December 6, 2005 at 11:15 pm

I WOULD PAY TOP MONEY TO OWN A SAMBA RALLYE HAD A BRAND NEW ONE BACK IN 1985 WISH I NEVER SOLD IT CAN ANYONE HELP 07979275340.

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Jenn May 9, 2006 at 5:54 pm

There’s a Samba Convertible on eBay as I speak and there have been the odd few on recently. They’re out there, in fact most of the bad ones have rotted so badly that there’s are only the good ones left. £200 for a soft top, that’s my kinda car.

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skunkblazer August 27, 2006 at 12:57 pm

Hello
I recently purchased a Samba Convertable, just wondering if you know where to get the wide arches from? Great little car, bags of character.

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dominic February 25, 2007 at 4:46 pm

I have one for sale 430000 miles still runs garaged most of its life only a little rust used to belong to my recently deceased mother in law and needs a good home

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Alan Hall March 27, 2007 at 12:28 am

Is this the 1360cc 90bhp whats the year, whats the colour and do you mean 43000 not 430000 as this is mental mileage please can you let me know by email could be interested in buying

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Alan Hall March 27, 2007 at 12:30 am

I would like the samba rallye sport 1360cc 90bhp version 1985 model anyone got one ! I will check in again soon please let me know pay good money!

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gary major April 3, 2007 at 1:10 am

anyone know of a samba s,would love to get one.

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Paul April 21, 2007 at 1:59 am

Heh…my first car was an ’84 Samba LS, in maroon with orange striping, and the tiny little 954cc engine (which had not one, but TWO replacement camshafts during it’s 4 years in our care.)

In it’s short time with us it got wrecked once, badly dinged another time, driven as fast as I could get it (nearly 90mph if I recall correctly. At that speed it felt like it was only on the ground occasionally), and I even went autotesting once in it!

It also crapped out once when the timing went squiffy causing the valves to have a coming together with the pistons (with predictably bad results). It actually got me home that time, with about 5 HP to pull me along, but understandably refused to start again until the engine was rebuilt (for the third time in 4 years)

The little trooper finally shuffled off this mortal coil around 1997, firing on 2-and-a-half cylinders, with a (downhill) top speed of about 50mph, but surprisingly little rust. We decided not to rebuild the engine a fourth time.

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Sarah March 4, 2009 at 8:53 pm

Just purchased a right lovely Samba Style. And would you believe….no rust? Only 15,000 miles on the clock and garaged all of its life. I totally love it, was driving down the motorway today with a huge grin on my face and a lorry up my backside. Yay!

Gawd bless ya little Samba.

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Jennifer September 14, 2009 at 11:17 am

What a bumch of rubbish. I own an ’84 reg Cabrio which goes like hell, more than keeping up with modern traffic. It’s reliable (I’ve done over 15k in the past 2 years with few problems), comfortable, most definitely fun and not incredibly rusty! The handling is impressive and the grip is good, as it is basically a Peugeot 104 SHORTCUT. Anyone who slates a Samba aught to try driving one now because from my experience they’re more fun and compared to some modern cars less rusty!
Many older cars suffer because of the ignorance of the drivers, give them the care and maintainance they need and they will reward you with thousands of happy miles of (fun) driving.

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Andy October 11, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Hi, i just bought a 1984 Samba Cabriolet with 10,000 genuine miles on the clock, Its had one lady owner from brand new (time warp job) it drives fantastic. The interior is like new, but body work needs a little TLC. Only needed a little welding for the MOT. Can’t wait to work on it this winter and be ready for a great summer in this awsome little bundle of fun.
Anyone know if there are many Samba Cabriolets left out there as i am intending on spending approx £1000 on getting this car immaculate. Is it worth it ???? Regards Andy

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Holly October 4, 2011 at 11:46 am

Hello all, I have a Samba Cabrio, have owned him for 15 years and have gradually rebuilt him. Now he’s finally finished apart from a set of original bumpers (metal ones) which i cant seem to find anywhere! He has only done 45,000 miles and drives better than my 306! He had no rust, a new beige roof with red stitching, red respray and red roof frame and bright red carpet. I’ve spent approx £4k over the last 15 years on him and he was valued at £1k the other day. That as it is i would not give him up for less than £2k and there are only 12 left in the country so at some point he might actually be worth something (although maybe only to me) Good luck with all your Samba adventures and im planning on joining the club so if any of you out there still have one, join the club and maybe they’ll all get to meet up one day!

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