Batman 3: Catwoman & The Penguin To Remain Unemployed
The Dark Knight has whipped up such a hype frenzy that we wouldn’t be surprised if it cured the blind and healed the terminally ill.
In fact, people are going so potty over The Dark Knight that they’ve started to pretend that they’ve already seen it just so they can move onto speculation over Batman 3. So we may as well do the same. It’s not like we’ve got anything better to do.
Batman screenwriters David Goyer and Jonah Nolan have responded to claims that the baddies in Batman 3 will be Catwoman and The Penguin by saying that the baddies in Batman 3 definitely won’t be Catwoman and The Penguin. They’ve got a whole raft of other villains to chose from, so why pick the two most obvious? Especially when nobody’s put Lola Lasagne in a Batman movie yet.
Believe what you read and you’ll hear that The Dark Knight is as good as The Godfather II, that The Dark Knight is so profound that your life will be changed forever by two and a half hours of watching a man in a silly rubber costume riding a bike, and that Heath Ledger’s performance as The Joker is so perfect that all Oscars past present and future should be posthumously given to Heath, melted down and made into a single giant Oscar that does the dance from 10 Things I Hate About You every hour on the hour.
Is The Dark Knight that good? Buggered if we know, but we’ve been suckered in by the hype as much as anyone else. So, to try and combat our feelings of market-manipulated vulnerability, let’s try and take control by starting up a bunch of hype about Batman 3.
Christian Bale is already keen to make another Batman movie and, so long as Christopher Nolan decides that he wants to, it’s pretty much a done deal already. Which begs the question – which of Batman’s villains will feature in Batman 3?
Obviously the two main choices are The Penguin and Catwoman. They’re just as iconic as The Joker and they’ve as yet been ignored by the Nolan Batman series. However, we have our reservations.
For example, The Penguin is usually seen as a comedy character, and Christopher Nolan would rather cut his balls off than have a moment of light relief in one of his Batman films. And as for Catwoman… given what Nolan has done to The Joker, we’re not sure that we’re ready to have our life-long Catwoman fetish ruined by a scar-covered mess with matted hair and a freaky make-up job.
Luckily, Batman writers David Goyer and Jonah Nolan agree with us, although their reasoning has slightly less to do with the preservation of a slightly unnatural sexual fantasy than ours. Totalfilm reports:
“In the first movie we use Ra’s Al Ghul and The Scarecrow, who had not been in the movies before, and had not been in the sixties TV show before. And there are dozens if not hundreds of other characters that fit that bill. Everyone says its gotta be The Penguin or Catwoman… well I completely disagree.â€
Of course, there are hundreds of various Batman villains that could be used in Batman 3, so we’ll just have to sit and wait to see which ones get used.
Needless to say, we’ll never be happy until Schwarzenegger reprises his role as Mr Freeze, because if there’s one thing that Christopher Nolan is shit at, it’s the ice-based pun.
What would you rather have – a critically-acclaimed immersive crime drama or a great big European guy painted blue shouting things like “You’re not sending me to the cooler!”? Mr Freeze wins every time. It’s not even a contest.
hehe Bale has stated he’d rather chain himself to the wall and refuse to go to work than act in a Batman with a Robin.
My personal preferance for villains would be The Riddler (much darker than last time) and played by Hugo Weaving (ala Agent Smith, V).
Then a tougher villain to take on Batman physicly, like…..Bane or Hush
I agree with your view about the darker version of the riddler but he should be played by Johhny Depp
I think the riddler could be perfect for the next movie. he likes the attention, sees it as a game of cat and mouse a contest of intelect. Sounds an awful lot like a serial killer to me and thats exactly what he should be. Make the Riddler a serial killer and like many real life serial killers you’d have a reason behind his games. And as mentioned above I too think Jonny Depp would be good as a seriously twisted riddler. I watched TDK for the 2nd time today, I thought the hype was all sympathy and yet still had high expectations that were exceeded. I can’t get over how good Ledger was.
But personally I still think Two Face will be in Batman 3. If we’re meant to believe that he died then the Joker won twice, he turned Dent, and made Batman kill him. Nah, Two Face is alive and doing time secretly in Arkham.
they should have the riddler and two face
They keep putting the same bad guys in. I think calender man should be the next bad guy. He is and always was the most interesting badman character.
They would be stupid if they didn’t choose Calender Man
I think they should choose Triangle Man. Triangle Man hates Particle Man. They had a fight. Triangle won.
I think It’ll deffinatly be the riddler and two-face no doubt about it …
As for catwoman ..lmao (thats all i gotta say about that)
I doubt they’d bring Two-face back, his death seemed kinda final to me. And I’d be disappointed if the Joker was re-cast; no-one could do it justice after Heath’s performance.
I’m not confident they’d choose the Ridler because I think he’d just be too much like the Joker; they’ve been trying hard with this series to keep their characters very separate and individual and I don’t see how the Ridler could be separated enough from the Joker in terms of personality and mannerisms and so on. I do like the suggestion of Phillip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin, I’m sure they could take that somewhere, but, although maybe a petty criticism, I think the name “the Penguin” is a bit weak…
And they absolutely will not do:
Mr Freeze, Catwoman, Robin, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, etc (I ackowledge that not all of them are villains, I mean characters in general here)…
Simply because those characters are kinda lame and difficult to make gritty and realistic which has been the aim of the new films.
So having negated most of the serious suggestions made here (sorry guys!) I’d probably be inclined to say it’ll be:
a) an obscure villain from one of the comics, and
b) someone like Bane; a more normal and human type of character, who has been drugged with Scarecrows stuff and is locked up in Arkham to act as a secondary villain. You’d have to radically change his costume though!
That’s just my thoughts, I’d love to hear what other people say, but if I were making the next film I think that’s how I’d approach it.
I’ve stated that Clayface or Firefly be the villany of Part 3. You also can’t rule out that Ra’s Al Ghul, at some point would return. I could see Ra’s Al Ghul making a stunning appearence, it occured to me while watching TDK.
Ok so we know from Batman Begins that there’s a potiental hint of Ra’s Al Ghul being immortal. And we saw him perish supposily in that train wreck…But he could transfer his soul into another person, someone close to Bruce Wayne or Batman (eg Alfred, Gordon, Fox) as the League of Shadows would give a decent explanation as to be capable of performing extradorinary things. The story could be taken of Ra’s Al Ghul proclaiming that events taken in from TDK where a direct result at overcoming the fear even more…not mention the wake of Rachel Dawes death to put Bruce Wayne/Batman to the ultimate test of compassion to see who he really is. A lot of possibilites.
I would Love to see Catwoman I think they could make her work but NO HALLEY BARRY!!!!!! NO!! NO!! NO!! she ruined it. Persoanlly I think Michelle Phiffer was the best cat woman ever and I think she might be hard to beat, Angelina jolie would Fit But I say no to her because something about Angelina says it dosnt really blend well, We need a white,athletic female with black hair and fair skin to fit how she really look Putting Halley Barry was wtf to me I think Posion Ivy could slip with the skin changing and story bending but not Catwoman. Harley Quinn would also be great to see. But I hope they plann On Using CatWoman SOON!!
The Riddler would be a great villain for the next film, who says they have to stick to his comic persona. What if he were to be like “JIGSAW” from the SAW films? Kidnapping and holding people ransom, pushing batman to solve seemingly impossible riddles.
The thought of Batman being face to face with a victim trapped in a puzzle with their life on the line and “NOT” be able to solve it, seeing them die before his eyes would enhance his inner darkness ever pushing him more and more to insanity. I think the next film should explore the psyche. Whilst Bruce Wayne can build evermore sophisticated armour to protect his body what defences does he have to protect his mind? The stress of all his battles and the demand of leading two roles should be explored further. Perhaps Bruce could do a stint in Arkham……..just a thought
Catwoman definitely. She could be like an s/m prostitute of the underworld that will use her traumatic experiences to get back at 9 Mob Bosses…. you know like 9 Lives.
Ra’s Al Guhl is a very good suggestion, he could certainly play a part… but who knows.
That construction of the Riddler is brilliant, I’d actually give that serious merit despite what I said before… if they could do it like that he would make a very very interesting villain. I love the concept of a villain who exploits Batman’s weaknesses psychoogically, which we really saw emerge in the Dark Knight.
The concept of Batman focusing a lot on his own turmoil is certainly something I think the new film will focus on, as he deals with Rachals death and the questions the Joker put to him about his morality and his values. Don’t forget that he’s the bad guy and he’s being chased by all of Gotham Ci in Arkham could definately be on the cards… is he offered a chance to escape by someone like the Riddler? Perhaps he first encounters the Riddler inside…
And I hate to disappoint but there is NO WAY Catwoman will feature in any of the new Batman films, however the construction offered does have some merit I just can’t see the writers pulling her into the series…
i think halle berry should play catwoman because she was originaly her in her movie and because i thought she was very good in that, that would be purrrfect.
the riddler
2 face is dead,
joker got caught if u remember at the end and they wont recast some one else
i think that catwoman played by halie berry should be a neutral caracter and i would love to see mr. freeze come in and during the movie have cutsceens of how robin begins but not get him the suit and shit just introduce him and piolet him for the next movie
There are only two options for the main villain.
1. The Riddler.
- There is far too much potential for this character and to be honest, there is no way Jim Carrey could ever play this role a second time. He is too comical for these new films.
2. The Penguin.
- I wasn’t much on reading the Batman comics but if the Penguin follows the whole Mayor campain story line from Batman then his lead in is already done. The Joker did take out the Mayor after all.
waht aboout scar feet hees god
what about scarface he is good
personally i believe that the main villain will be catwoman played by cher and as a half good guy half bad guy the riddle played by jhonny depp…
This is plausible because the catwoman is a theif and in the plot she could pull off a major heist and gets away with it, until the police contract edward nigma or the riddler to help them solve the case even tho his methods are… questionable.
Black Mask is perfect for Nolans world, he’s dark, he’s creepy and he’s smart. The riddler could be helping the cops hunt down batman.
Who ever it is the movie will be based entirely on the new villan. Remember, Batman is now the bad guy. The city believes he’s responsible for all the corrupt police deaths. The movie will have to swing from the creation of a new “Good Guy” who is here to catch Batman, then he must some how morph into the villian and close that the city needs Batman again. Just my thoughts… I believe the villian to fill those shoes will be Black Mask. Read that story line, it is very interesting.
Kate Bakensale=Catwoman
she’s britsh, she has martial arts skills
i think she’s pettier than jolie
f@#$ jolie she sucks except tomb raider seires
jolie is nothing like catwoman all she can use F@#$ing guns…..and she can’t fight. i know Catwoman she can fight
why Bakensale? if u seen underworld….she can fight
however…. i want to see HARLEY QUINN,
HARLEY QUINN should be in movie
i think Catherine Sutherland could play as HARLEY QUINN, maybe playing as a power ranger got her insane
and she’s blonde like HARLEY QUINN herself
I’m not saying either way whether or not they should put Robin in or not – I’m sure that Nolan will make it work whatever he decides – but if they do do Robin, at least do him properly and cast a teenager like he’s supposed to be. I allways felt that Chris O’Donnell was far too old (wasn’t Robin at college or something?).
Also IF he were put into a film, who would you choose to play him. I have bo idea who would be good, but I bet we’d end up with someone like Shia LeBeof!
i think haley jole osman for robin fits perfect!
Poison Ivy!
Poison Ivy!
I want Poison Ivy!
I’m bored of the guys.
Id we have to have a guy, then what about ManBat?
A young Mad Hatter, possibly the son of a wealthy businessman who loves Lewis Carroll and hates society and authority, so attempts to bring down Gotham. Because we all know Joker’s not coming back, have the Mad Hatter destroy Arkham Asylum with the Joker inside, because he hated how the Joker was ‘trying to send a message’, feeling ‘true’ anarchy needs no meaning.
I just read an interview with Nolan, in which he stated that if he was forced to cast Robin he would go with Frankie Muniz!! I assume he was joking!
did christopher nolan watch batman returns?
he is probaly scared to attempt to top danny devito’s performance.
why would he rather cut is own balls off then to bring comical relief, when the joker’s part was as much funny as it was cynical( i find insanity to be hilarious)
stupid fucking critic. why dont you watch the movie and then complain about it. you have no ground to stand on. I think we all agree we loved batman as we remember him growing up, but Nolan has shed new light on batman. Its more profound and realistic. Its fuckng bad ass! at least he didn’t turn it into shit….
stupid review. your source is probably a sham. thought I could get some real information. guess i’ll go elsewhere.
“Batman 3 definitely won’t be Catwoman and The Penguin. They’ve got a whole raft of other villains to chose from, so why pick the two most obvious?”
Forgive me if wrong, but wasn’t the Joker and Two-face pretty obvious too.
i think that two face will come back,cus without him there is no robin, because 2 face killed dick grason’s parents so ta-da.
and the villans will probly be 2 face and someother guy who want revenge and all that great stuff
Two-face is very unlikely,because Christopher Nolan confirms that he died at the end of the film. So who ever the villain will be; it most likely won’t be him.
Well interesting, Catwoman can be only played by a real catwoman like Lucy Liu, who can jump and fight liker her? Nobody. And why not the Pinquin, Danny DeVito can reprise the role or is he too old? In the comics he is old. And with this director can be a fantastic movie.
ventriloquist/scar face! Creeper would be interesting. Scarecrow would be nice to see again.
Well, Hush would be interesting, along with the Riddler. I’m sure the director will stick to the realistic villains, so, count Croccy and Claybutt out.
I’ld say Hush, a less they have Health hidden in some deserted place somewhere… waiting to surprise us on the big screen. Doubt it.
“In the first movie we use Ra’s Al Ghul and The Scarecrow, who had not been in the movies before, and had not been in the sixties TV show before. And there are dozens if not hundreds of other characters that fit that bill. Everyone says its gotta be The Penguin or Catwoman… well I completely disagree.”
It’s really not up to David S. Goyer or even Jonathan Nolan rather Catwoman, the Riddler, or the Penguin is in or out. It’s up to director Christopher Nolan to decide who is in or out.
the jokers performance is obviously to recreate so they shouldnt bring in man bat because not much realism not robin because it’s too dark but maybe knight wing someone who is the batman essientially
I nominate a penisaur horde from the Spore dimension
CHARLIZE THERON SHOULD PLAY CATWOMAN.
I think that they need a villin that would be more realistic in the world. Not like catwoman or Mr. Frezze cause really that would never happen. Or maybe make a hole new villin like they did with Ras Al Gouhl in Batman Begins. Although since batman is pretty much a bad guy they should put him in Arkham and have a new villin aprouch and have say catwoman pretend to be a badguy for the time being. Then turn bad and run amuck with the new villin and have GCPD let batmanout of Arkham to stop them. And personaly i think the hole series will be ruenied if they have like a batgirl, night wing, or robin, etc, Cause that would just ruin it.
when i said have catwoma as a badguy for the time being i ment to say i goodguy…….i made a type-o……………..sorry
On the I Believe in Harvey Dent website, theres an advertisement for Croc Jones. Killer Croc is really named Waylon Jones. PROOF!
Ra’s Al Ghul & Two-face are considered dead byNolan, they’re not going to recast Joker(4this movie anyway)(also ruling out Harley Quinn), and they really don’t like the Penguin, or apparently Catwomen(…or Robin).In addition, Bane & Hush turn up in the comics way later when there’s the 3rd Robin+ Nightwing, so they won’t be in it either + Mr.Zsasz has already been played in BB by a nobody.
That still leaves afew characters though. TheRiddler has got to be the favourite, whilst maybe Black Mask, Calender Man(Hannibal version),Deadshot,Poison Ivy or Hugo Strange(+Scarecrow again).
Killer Croc,Clayface,ventriloquist,blockbuster& mad hatter are too unrealistic, though i think man-bat,kgbeast ormr.freeze could maybe be good(though unrealistic,they got to start using these kind of villians eventually;just make manbat gothic,mr.freeze ultrasympathetic).
O yeah, i’d also love Anarky to be considered but I doubt he ever will be for the same reason why he’s never been adapted in any other media: He represents Anarchism (SO controversial, even when portraying as a villain(!?))
MAN ALIVE IN THE MORNING!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE AIN’T NO WAYYYYY I WANT TO SEE ANGELINA JOLIE AS A CATWOMAN! THAT WOULD BE THE WORST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND! I DON’T LIKE HER WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK THEY SHOULD NOT EVEN MAKE A CATWOMAN CUZ THAT WOULD BE SOOO BORING AND NOT AS INTERESTING. THEY SHOULD STICK WITH HARLEY QUINN CUZ SHE IS THE MOST LIKE THE JOKER AND SHE WOULD PICK UP WHERE HE LEFT OFF. PLUS I LIKE A BLONDE VILLAIN. I BRINGS INTEREST AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SARAH JAYNE DUNN, KRISTEN BELL, OR CHARLIZE THERON ARE MY TOP CHOICES. CHARLIZE THERON PLAYED SORT OF A HERO IN HANKOCK SO WHY NOT IN BATMAN???? SORRY IF I MISSPELLED ANYTHING:)
I think what they should do is have a duo of villians in Harley quin and the Riddler. The Riddler should be a dark phycopath (Jim carry was crap)probably played by Johhny Depp (anyone remember secret window?) Now ok here is a plot for Batman 3. Joker gets the electric chair(You cant recast Heath, he was brilliant) before he dies he leaves a message for Gotham that he has just pulled the ultimate joke. Harley Quinlan (Who was his phsyciatrisy while he was on trial) emerges as Harley quin and riddler joins her. Whoever is gonna play Harley has got to be pretty but at the same time a total maniac, a devil in a dress. The joker reincarnated.
Dude, they are NEVER going to have harley quinn without the joker. It would be like having a Batman movie with just Robin and no actual Batman. harley quinn is basically the jokers sidekick + this is still kind of the beginning of Batman, and harley quinn appears way later
i dont care about how is in the move as long as it is good at the firs one
Okay as good as these ideas sound, Here’s the reality(I hope you can accept these truths):
Two Face? Dead. Buried. Rigor Mortus. Worm Chow. Sorry guys.
Catwoman: played by Cher. Why? Catwoman is a vampy trashy whore of a woman. Screw sexiness because in Nolans Gotham, No one is sexy.
Joker: In jail. Like Crane, He’ll probably only get a mention.
Clayface, Killer Croc, Bane etc: Sorry but no. Nolan wants it to be REAL. No magic potions, weird mutations, just no.
Robin: Nolan says he wants a serious Batman. But he is missing out on an opprotunity. When people hear “Robin” They think Grayson. Newsflash: HE WAS NOT THE ONLY ROBIN. There IS a version who fits in Nolans vision of a dark gritty real Batman. Jason Todd a.k.a Robin a.k.a Red Hood a.k.a the gun weilding Batman. Look him up. He’s perfect. Teen, pychotic, questions Batman’s tactics, uses GUNS! Hello????
Riddler: More likely Johnny Depp due to Secret Window as opposed to Doctor Who(the most sanest time traveling alien ever) You call him weak? I say he can be a genius. Gotham hates Batman now. So let Eddie Nashton be the hero, then take it away midway through the film.
Harley Quinn: Closest you will ever get to reincarnated Ledger. Do it.
Black Mask: He Pass
Hush: Also Pass
Scarface: That’ll be hard considering the only real ventriloquist is Jeff Dunham. Though it might serve for a good middle credits scene.
Talia: No. Batman can’t be happy. Sorry. She has to stay out.
Here’s how I see the film going:
Batman is hunted by a task force which includes Nashton and Hugo Strange(Like an assistant). Eddie tries to find Batman and put him away, slowly enjoying the fame as being “The only true genius to catch Batman”(Maybe a little Kayne West ego boost) Joker spills the beans about Harvey while in Arkham. Batman is pardoned, Gotham decends into more chaos but ol’ Eddie boy snaps. If he isn’t the hero, what’s left? The villain. Going all JIGSAW on Gotham, he constructs the deadliest games to test Batman. Meanwhile Harley acts on Jokers behalf to make sure Gotham stays in anarchy untill he gets out(Which we won’t see), Batman saves Gotham from Riddler, Ed goes to Arkham but not before Hugo admits he knows who Batman is(a bit of irony there) and the film ends with Batman trying to restore peace in Gotham.
Things I want to see: Jason Todd as A sort of Anti Batman hero, killing villians. I can see him doing a drive by on Calender Man as he robs a bank(Sorry but I think Calender Man is a pompus asshole)
So before you say “Robin will ruin the serious!” Remember Jason Todd. The boy who pretended to be Batman as an excuse to shoot you dead.
But thats just me.
Damn in that rant I forgot to add Penguin.
Penguin: More likely a seedy nightclub owner. No need to make him a freak. Just a normal guy whose nightclub is themed. Mention him at best.