The Dark Knight has whipped up such a hype frenzy that we wouldn’t be surprised if it cured the blind and healed the terminally ill.
In fact, people are going so potty over The Dark Knight that they’ve started to pretend that they’ve already seen it just so they can move onto speculation over Batman 3. So we may as well do the same. It’s not like we’ve got anything better to do.
Batman screenwriters David Goyer and Jonah Nolan have responded to claims that the baddies in Batman 3 will be Catwoman and The Penguin by saying that the baddies in Batman 3 definitely won’t be Catwoman and The Penguin. They’ve got a whole raft of other villains to chose from, so why pick the two most obvious? Especially when nobody’s put Lola Lasagne in a Batman movie yet.
Believe what you read and you’ll hear that The Dark Knight is as good as The Godfather II, that The Dark Knight is so profound that your life will be changed forever by two and a half hours of watching a man in a silly rubber costume riding a bike, and that Heath Ledger‘s performance as The Joker is so perfect that all Oscars past present and future should be posthumously given to Heath, melted down and made into a single giant Oscar that does the dance from 10 Things I Hate About You every hour on the hour.
Is The Dark Knight that good? Buggered if we know, but we’ve been suckered in by the hype as much as anyone else. So, to try and combat our feelings of market-manipulated vulnerability, let’s try and take control by starting up a bunch of hype about Batman 3.
Christian Bale is already keen to make another Batman movie and, so long as Christopher Nolan decides that he wants to, it’s pretty much a done deal already. Which begs the question – which of Batman’s villains will feature in Batman 3?
Obviously the two main choices are The Penguin and Catwoman. They’re just as iconic as The Joker and they’ve as yet been ignored by the Nolan Batman series. However, we have our reservations.
For example, The Penguin is usually seen as a comedy character, and Christopher Nolan would rather cut his balls off than have a moment of light relief in one of his Batman films. And as for Catwoman… given what Nolan has done to The Joker, we’re not sure that we’re ready to have our life-long Catwoman fetish ruined by a scar-covered mess with matted hair and a freaky make-up job.
Luckily, Batman writers David Goyer and Jonah Nolan agree with us, although their reasoning has slightly less to do with the preservation of a slightly unnatural sexual fantasy than ours. Totalfilm reports:
“In the first movie we use Ra’s Al Ghul and The Scarecrow, who had not been in the movies before, and had not been in the sixties TV show before. And there are dozens if not hundreds of other characters that fit that bill. Everyone says its gotta be The Penguin or Catwoman… well I completely disagree.â€
Of course, there are hundreds of various Batman villains that could be used in Batman 3, so we’ll just have to sit and wait to see which ones get used.
Needless to say, we’ll never be happy until Schwarzenegger reprises his role as Mr Freeze, because if there’s one thing that Christopher Nolan is shit at, it’s the ice-based pun.
What would you rather have – a critically-acclaimed immersive crime drama or a great big European guy painted blue shouting things like “You’re not sending me to the cooler!”? Mr Freeze wins every time. It’s not even a contest.
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Two interesting articles about batman 3 possible storylines.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25681350/
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/07/02/christian-bale-rules-out-robin-for-batman-3-and-beyond/
with as dark as the dark knight is suposed to be, i actually would be very interested in seeing nolan’s portrayal of the riddler…
It should be Clayface and killer Croc! That would be epic.
I personally would like to see Clay Faces on the big screen.
it should be Ra’s Al Ghul again along with his daughter talia. that would be good and it would complete a trilogy. and of course two-face because he doesn’t die.
ne1 who says clayface should be in is a retard fanboy, no way would clayface be in a nolan film.
the whole Ra’s Al Ghul sstoryline could involve some sort of global warming thing since ras is an eco balance type. also given that his body was never found it woul dbe legit
WHICH clayface?
Hush or the Riddler.
From the look of the trailers, give Ledger’s make up man his best actor Oscar – Ledger just seems to be Ledger with a scary looking face on.
“ne1 who says clayface should be in is a retard fanboy, no way would clayface be in a nolan film.”
I’d ask you to explain what this means, but I’m sure the answer would involve a lengthy justification of saying something as irredeemably dorky as this while simultaneously considering yourself not a “fanboy”. Therefore, I shall just chalk it up to your complete lack of self-awareness and move on.
I haven’t seen the pre-releases yet and will see it this weekend, but who says the Joker dies in this one? the joker could be a running baddy even if it’s not heath ledger and played by someone else. The Joker can always come back.
Indeed. Witness his various deaths in the comics by helicopter crash (death in the family), speed boat (original first ever strip, I believe) and others, I’m sure.
Until he broke his own neck in Dark Knight Returns. No coming back from that one. Except perhaps as a cyber ghost or something.
It’s a no-brainer: Bookworm and King Tut.
The losses of Roddy McDowell and Victor Buono will make this difficult, but surely someone can step in (hint for Mr. Nolan: Richard Simmons and Tom Arnold have free time and low salary expectations).
patrick stewart as mr. freeze would be the best choice.
It seems people are forgetting about some killer bad guys. Personally I think two face is going to be in the third one but I would love to see BANE.
Once you’ve seen the movie (yup, its out here in Australia and I saw it last night) it will be a bit more clear not so much as to who will be reappearing in the second one but definitley who wont
there was an allusion to catwoman when bruce asked lucious for a new suit that will be good against dogs…
and lucious says something.. like .. .. “it should stand up to a cat”
I’m going to plum for Harley Quinn + the riddler/joker.
Awesome combo. Simply great in my playbook, Harley is always the more ‘kabloowey’ type to the jokers bonkers side while a good interaction of the joker finding -something- unusual in himself in finding he cares for Harley can be mined for content.
Hugo Strange or Black Mask would do well in Batman 3. The stage has already been set for their inclusion and they are not too disimiliar from the type of advesary that Bale’s Batman tackles.
Milton from Office Space;
The Stapler’s Revenge
The criticism by parody vis a vis Milton from Office Space has taken on a life of its own. And it has had almost no measurable effect: retards still post about their worthless ideas for whatever, nerds still get a rectal bug over minutiae, self-important twats expound at length on their overpriced-at-free advice, and nobody reads anything.
It’s enough to make one despair.
what about two face?
Wolverine should do it
julio Says:
July 17th, 2008 at 8:53 am
there was an allusion to catwoman when bruce asked lucious for a new suit that will be good against dogs…
and lucious says something.. like .. .. “it should stand up to a catâ€
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Oh you’re right. That totally went over my head. Very good observation. Well we definitely know Cat Woman is going to be one of the villains in the next one with that reference. I’m betting the Riddler and Cat Woman.
BANE!! or Clayface. or the Mad Hatter!
I read somewhere that Nolan wants to keep the Villains in the criminal underworld. So I think they would have someone take over the mob. Who, maybe Penguin, the Ventriloquist & Scarface or Black Mask. How about David Tennant, aka Doctor Who, as Riddler.
While I like the female villains of Batman, I think that it’s unlikely that they will appear in the next movie. These are supposed to be dark films – not ones that establish a continuing romantic interest in rather seductive characters.
Also keep in mind that some characters (Harley) are comparatively new to the comic series as they were created during the animated show. I think they are even more unlikely to appear as headlining villains.
Jervis was supposedly mentioned in the movie (and I can’t remember the scene) so maybe Mad Hatter would be a possibility? I think it’d be fantastically dark.
I think them saying no Catwomen or penguin is just a smoke screen. I heard that ther waere some talks of Penguin making a cameo in TDK and Philip Seymor hoffman intrested in playing him.That could be intresting. With Rachael Dying there is gone be room for a femal lead ie Catwoman. All superhero movies have a female lead. And since is part 3 then i think we could even see three villians including Bane. Every knows what Bane does to Batman and with this being the end of a trilogy it coould set up some real intrigue.
how about poison ivy like uma therman (kill bill) and catwomen as angelina jolie or catherine zeta jones or maybe jessica alba
I personally feel that (with enough work) Poison Ivy and Bane would make a fantastic combo. Ivy would be the “major villain” that is that major point of much of the plot, while Bane takes up as secondary villians. Both can be adapted to have a more scientific explaination and can fit in with the gritty realism Nolan is going for.
Catwoman could work, but I hate her. Riddler should never be brought up again unless played by Jim Carrey. Clayface, while cool, would be difficult to work in without major work on modifying the character.
Most of the other “fantastic” character types (Croc and such) really don’t fit in. Either not realistic enough or too silly (see Penguin).
Cris have you not see any other batman? Uma Therman was poison ivy in “Batman and Robin” she will not be poison ivy in a different franchise sequel.
@MrMojo112
Mad Hatter was never in a Batman comic. He was just a bad guy in one of the cartoons.
So we can exclude him.
Bane cannot be a main antagonist. He could only be a secondary bad guy.
I totally agree w/ machernucha’s link.
Also, they might not introduce Robin, but they might introduce Batgirl; given they have mentioned Barbara. Although, I’m not sure how Nolan will include her in the storyline.
Though, I’m confident however he does it will be gold!
Besides, TDK is not a typical superhero movie or any action movie at all.
Bad guy(s) in this movie actually delivers what they said they were going to do. Joker is awesome! HL did a great job.
Maybe I’m just a fan of Batman. I have so high an expectation for this movie and it still exceeded it!
I think Nolan could put a good spin on Poison Ivy. Get rid of her supernatural powers and make her a good ole fashioned eco-terrorist.
NO Robin. NO Batgirl. NO CAMP. Get that outta your heads right now guys. Now, Nolan said no Penguin and Catwoman and I believe him. Frankly I don’t want to see them on screen again (I’m too big a fan of Burton’s Returns) but done correctly (say as a fear toxin insane cannibal sewer dweller eating children or something) Croc could fit. Mad Hatter maybe as a pedophile. BUt what I wanna see is Batman trapped inside Arkham with Two Face and Joker like A Serious House on Serious Earth. Great wrap up to those two character’s stories… while outside Arkham Mr. Reese (Mysteries? duh the Riddler) and Hush (Rutger Hauer’s character from Begins) and Pamela Isley start blowing up Wayne’s boardmembers to revenge Bruce’s respective wrongdoings against them…
I would love to see Naomi Harris as Poison Ivy, Milla Jovovich as catwoman, I really want to see Harlequin but I dont know who would be good to play her
i think penguin would be a better villain. His weird, crippled, bad childhood background can make it really2 dark character and sadistic. and it will be a cool costum design. Penguin and catwomen is nice, the catwomen would be a cool acrobatic girl.
3 icon of the universe is there..maybe in the end of the movie you can see a glimpse of superman flying by hehehhehe
The Joker hasn’t died; this Batman refuses to kill his villains, meaning that the Joker likely will return at some point – though probably not in the next film.
The death of Ledger doesn’t preclude this, in fact, the story could be written that there’s one Joker Mastermind locked up at Arkham who is training diffeent Jokers to torment Batman.
That would explain the necessarily slight change (or mass deviation if neccessary) from the Heath Ledger Joker. I think I hear a Riddler and a Harley Quin comin’! or how about one of Batman’s more obscure villains, like Brain Hobson?
Also, after the WonderWoman movie and another Superman, I think there should be a Justice League movie (complete with the Green Arrow, Green Lantern and the Flash) just to spice things up and introduce a host of villains from all of their worlds and cross-polinate the franchises.
They didn’t have to kill off Rachel Dawes…they should have cast Jessica Alba! (Smokin’!!) and kept Dawes alive.
I think they should have stayed true to the comic story of twoface, where Harvey Dent gets splashed in the face with acid in the courtroom while trying a case against Salvatore Maroni (Eric Roberts’s character).
I think one way Nolan could make the film interesting is to let the villains from the previous films make brief cameos in the following installments (but this is obviously a problem where Ledger is concerned).
For example, the Scarecrow should have been in the beginning of the Dark Knight and gotten killed off, maybe, or shown getting locked back up at Arkham Asylum…making threats about his next plot.
Let the villains communicate with each other…the Joker tells Scarecrow what a failure he is and says, “watch how it’s done1″ or something like that.
Catwoman? That’s reserved for Angelina Jolie. Bring her in the fifth installment, maybe.
If they ever have a batgirl? Charlize Theron
Mr. Freeze? Bruce Willis
“I VOTE FOR TIA DALMA FOR POISON IVY…SHE IS A GREAT CHARACTER ACTRESS. JUST IMAGINE HER GREAT ACTING WITH HER CHOCOLATE SKIN AND DREADS OR BRAIDS WITH VINE AND FLOWER TATTOOS EVERYWHERE…WITH HER DOUGHY EYES TELLING BATMAN THAT SHE IS SAVING THE EARTH…from people like bruce wayne…. see there is a method to my madness
VOTE TIA DALMA FOR POISON IVY”
(a different blog with good points)
.i totally agre with Naomi Harris as poison ivy.she would be great and it would add diversity. she was scary as hell in pirates and given nolans input she could be great they could change ivy around. and i agree with the tattoes which could symbolize her obsession with plants seeing how in today would people get tattoes for reasons. but these markings could be covered when she is isley. but adding he whole cr8z environment-al chick would fit into nolans world and having giving her poison in which she uses on anyone in the way of her cause would be kick *** if done right. the poison could cause demonic illusions of ilsey being poinson ivy with the whole plant control going on but not really happening. or maybe she could get her plant powers[which i would really hope for] without being silly. but i think Naomi Harris would be great instead of jolie im tires of seeing her.let her raise her kids.
I VOTE NAOMI HARRIS.
anyone who feels the same way. spread the word.
you never know what could happen.
Charlize Theron as Poison Ivy. Gotham City meets the pastural. Batman’s melancholy over lost love turns into nightmare.
Villians: Bane as main villian
Mafia villian:Black Mask
Side villian (only one or two):Deadshot, Riddler, Anarky, Hush, KillerCroc
Women villians: Harley quinn or Talia al Ghul (who knows maybe both)
Sidekick: Nightwing or Robin (Aud. probably wouldnt like robin thats why start him out as Nightwing which he eventually becomes anyways)
Reasons behind these villians:
BANE: Bane outmatchs batman in toe to toe and is a strateigic genuis
Having bane trying to take out batman would be perfect.
Bane would take the whole situation that the cops are chasing batman and use it to a perfect advantage.
BLACK MASK: A scary Mafia boss who is one of the best, it combines the mafia and a so called “Freakâ€. He would take control of the underworld as batman is being chased and dealing with other villians.
Deadshot(slade): Slade is known to have the best aim in the entire DC universe. He has a complete messed up moral code. He is a hitman and will take out any person as long as the price is right. But he also has a daughter and wife that he is trying to support and keep safe. He would be able to maybe go after ppl who batman would need to protect or he can be a hired gun, or kill people for whatever reason and maybe they can show his wife and daughter and show him as a regular father and the audience can connect with him maybe.
Riddler: Even though he seems to be liked, any movie with him as the main villian would be pathetic and would leave the critcs and audience ashamed of the movie. Riddler is a genius but one of the weakest batman villians. He leaves clues that batman always solves and then ends up catching him. He would be fine for a side villian that gives batman annoyance. It could take batman time to take out the riddler which would make batman not be at his best to fight the main villian which in my opinion should be Bane.
ANARKY: Anarky would be a very good side villian (anti villian) He could be the one who sticks up for the little guy who commits crimes only to survive while batman would stop them from commiting crimes. He would be the champion of the oppressed and Batman being almost like a champion of the Law and only upholding the law. Which would leave batman and the veiwer wondering who is really doing the right thing. This would be a great point in any batman film.
HUSH (Tommy): Tommy and Bruce were best freinds when kids. Tommy eventually becomes a Villian known as Hush who wears bandages around his head. He would be a perfect villian because we would get to see more of bruce wayne in his childhood and learn more about him. plus it would make for a good fight.
KILLERCROC: He would be ok. It would be fun to see him running around and killing. He is stronger and faster then batman and is able to regrow any limb cut off. He would make for great fight scenes. he would also leave batman guessing as to his whereabouts and when he will commit his next murder because he never makes a plan he just does.
Woman Villians:
Harley Quinn: Everybody seemed to love the joker, thats why without having the joker (Since ledgers death who knows if they will ever recast him) she would be good. Harley quinn though first appeared in the animated series because she was so popular came into the comics.
She is Jokes right hand woman. She is almost just as crazy as the joker although only half as smart. Joker also has paid for her to go through med school, she is a theorpist but she went crazy. She is in love with the joker but joker feels nothing for her (or does he we never know). She believes in all of jokers theories. She is also an acrobat.
She would be good as a woman villian because we havent seen a performance from her and she would add that “jokerness” that everybody is attracted to (including myself).
Talia Al Ghul: Daughter of the villian in number one:
She can take over the League of Shadows. she is smart, sexy, and in the comics Batmans one true love.
She would add the spice to the movie of batmans falling in love.
Batman has one weakness giving his heart to others and she can be his true weakness in the movie
Sidekick:
Robin/Nightwing aka Dick Grayson:
AS Harvey Dent said in Number 2 Batman is looking for someone to take up his mantle. Robin/nightwing that person.
He could adopt him because he sees his parents death and he connects with him. He doesn’t even have to ever wear a suit the entire time like in the Haunted Victory storyline. Make him not know that Batman is Bruce Wayne until later in the storyline he reveals it to him. He understands what he is going through and that would be why he lets him fight, but not without training. Dick Grayson is an outstanding Acrbot though, and even when he becomes Nightwing he has a different fighting style than Batman.
They don’t have to even use him in the movie but i think they should even if he adopts him at the end leading for another movie.
They could even just have him not adopted and just created himself as a hero when hes in his teens and he is running out fighting crime and batman runs into him and eventually takes him back I dunno just speculating random things on my mind for a Robin because it is hard to do him well in the movie.
Also for Killer Croc if they made bane the main villian and Killer Croc as the side villian they could have Bane and killer croc fight and bane win and that sending Killer Croc trying to find batman for a rematch. I dunno also just some random thoughts
“For example, the Scarecrow should have been in the beginning of the Dark Knight”
***SPOILERS***
…he was.
I personally think that Nolan should stray away from a scientist for the next movie. And if Two-Face returns (even thought he’s presumed dead) I don’t think the Riddler would be a good idea, since that would be two character with obsessive compulsions (Two-face with chance and his coin, and the Riddler with his intricate schemes and need to leave riddles).
However the villains would depend on the theme. Hell having to compulsive character might work well with a message.
clayface played by the rock and at the end batman 3 he gets a card and it has a ? on it riddler batman 4 the lets have a batman super man movie like 2011 why not lol
*looks around cautiously*
…Why not Omac?
i personally think that if ever nolan pursues another batman flick and possibly his last, i bet he’s gonna close the trilogy with the a great fight with batman’s super villain the, cthulhu. imagine them fighting. this will definitely be a blast. seriously.
I have my own proposals for Batman villains, and I think mine might provide some fresh direction for this innovative series of films:
The Papparazzi: Batman battles a gang of roving photographers hell-bent on taking pictures of people…Without even paying them any money!!! Watch as these anarchistic nihilists snap with abandon, spreading misery and littering the streets with many-pocketed vests. John Travolta stars as The Shutterbug, the leader of this dastardly terrorist group, whose childhood pictures decorate the walls of his mother’s nursing home. The irony is she can’t remember who he is because of advanced Alzheimer’s!
The Comic Book Nerd: Batman uses the awesome power of the BatComputerâ„¢ to engage The Dork Knight over the internet. This one would have to play out as a psychological cat-and-mouse thriller, since the comic book nerd never leaves his house.
Jason From The Friday The 13th Movies: This is just a no-brainer…The crossover appeal of two dudes in impractical and frankly ridiculous masks is undeniable. Plus it would get Jason out of another Friday the 13th movie, and anyone would jump at the chance.
I think the next batman villan should be with out doubt . the Riddler and get jonny depp in the role
How about EggHead? Surely it would make and eggcellent third film.
I know where talking about the bad guys… However if chris nolan was to introduce ‘Robin’ Matt Damon all the way!